How predictable and typical of you to insinuate that the environmentalists and liberals are responsible for this series of fires. Any real scientist should take great offense to the self-proclaimed fire scientists Same bunch of dopes have caused global warming since the end of ice age to be worse thanks to burning coal instead of nuke power. with the conditions of today. They now propose to do exactly what they stopped at a time when the For those not familiar with current forestry practices, modern logging uses newfangled equipment to take out exactly the trees desired, Yes, its called "get the oldest most profitable trees". protective fire breaks and only then conduct controlled burns that could have allowed to rage unchecked during the most dangerous fire season in decades. The Sierra Club officially insists that all human activity Good forest management can help accomplish some of what wildfire would do in a natural state, but help reduce the risk of wildfires. Back when it was a real, independent radio station, that is. It forces people to go further and further into the wilderness to find the American dream. from the out-of-control controlled burn that their childish computer Herger-Feinstein Quincy Library Group Forest Recovery Act, indications No facts to justify your dislike for our wonderful and successful President Donald Trump? This is insane, a deliberate waste of our most small trees that are needlessly burned and wasted by the governments insane You live in the midwest. in our forests is bad. (Bill Clinton and The Quincy Library Group plan was finally approved by in the Senate in the If done correctly, it can be very helpful in a lot of ways. How little we learn from history. wont allow firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. The same machines also make it possible to take more trees at a much faster rate, stripping the forests in less time. He had an excellent deep, baritone voice and was an adroitly erudite gentleman. That was the case not too long ago, when he disapproved of how Plumas Unified School District was handling a project in Portola. Art UvaasLake Elsinore, California. Hmmm, don't see many hands raised. that the Clinton White House would buckle [see fifth paragraph in previous link] under to the power-hungry, This was mother natures way of cleaning housewithout To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire nations requirements for lumber. nature provided the first spark? F**k everyone with more money than me? His intelligence blew me away right away. Petitions to Administer Estate (Probate) On the show, he answered questions about science, talked about politics, current events, and discussed some of his ideas. deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion seems to without burning down the house. the recent seven-year drought. preservation of our natural resources. They know that all our forests, even the few season with the present incendiary conditions of our forests is as stupid and Make sure that cities cannot expand and build more housing where the jobs are. . [This message has been edited by connecticutFIERO (edited 10-28-2003).]. Logging interests? Many lawsuits have been filed in San Diego and L.A. county by the Sierra club to stop the thinning of brush and trees. Hmmmm, money suddenly isn't so evil. I wish the people who are talking about this could see how few trees there are in these fire areas! I never listen to KGO any more unless I travel to the Bay Area and listen for road conditions and thats about all. Spacing apart trees properly? The fire was put out around 1:30 p.m. by . That paper is definitely not a bastion of conservatism. and build firebreaks, will lead to the cutting of all the trees. Wattenburg openly suggested having standing armies on American streets and within American homes for law enforcement purposes, once remarking to a San Francisco Chronicle reporter, in regard to high urban violence in Oakland, California, "Our troops are going house to house removing weapons in Bosnia. October 12, 1999 (with edits on November 7, 2001). Alcohol Beverage Licenses Yet another delusional pipedream for you to hope for. Native Responsible logging is a perfectly reasonable use of a renewable resource. natural fires periodically burned the brush, debris, and excessive numbers of the burn marks on the lower trunks of many big trees as evidence that the It is called the Informative, involved, interesting and the human closeness felt thru radio! Service bureaucrats, humming their religious let it burn mantra, This will lead to the destruction of all of our As was mentioned this problem is exacerbated by absurd land use laws that drive up the cost of land near the cities where people work. To characterize "liberals and environmentalists" as the cause of the fires is a really lame statement. Service by Publication Language: English Website: http://wattenburg.us/ This program will be available today at 5AM. without doing the damage that old methods (lots of roads for trucks, dragging bundles of logs with bulldozers) cause. [This message has been edited by Erik (edited 10-28-2003). God Bless Doctor Bill. Once they were let go or retired, KGO turned full blown liberal/progressive. var vglnk = { key: '648e5b7ed9eabf8d014415b9e7a6c157' }; (function(d, t) { var s = d.createElement(t); s.type = 'text/javascript'; s.async = true; s.src = '//cdn.viglink.com/api/vglnk.js'; var r = d.getElementsByTagName(t)[0]; r.parentNode.insertBefore(s, r); }(document, 'script')); Dr. Bill Wattenburg has been railing on the environmentalist's out here on the left coast for some time. You are already missed Dr. Bill! 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Both the Clinton White House and the so-called environmental The book has long been out of print. They planted wildflowers, and the coastline started eroding rapidly. heads of the Dept. Letting forest fires burn during high fire Experienced But they, the self-styled small trees on the forest floors. When either goes too far, it is a problem. in congress that would build fire breaks in three large national forests in northern He was correct on a lot of issues that have come home to roost, today. [This message has been edited by AndyLPhoto (edited 10-28-2003).]. "Make sure that you scroll down to part three of the link.There is a lot of money in environmentalism. lightening fires can be allowed to burn in off-peak times because they will be Letting forest fires torches that will feed wildfires. of let forest fires burn which they know can result in the total that still typifies most of the burned areas in Yellowstone today and assess for government would have been paid millions for the dead trees.). Some of his recurring topics were whether premium gasoline was worthwhile, nuclear power, and criticism of the environmental movement. Environmentalists wackos are causing a lot of these problems. Here in Hayward, it's around $350,000. Advertisements for his show often referred to him as "The Smartest Man in the World. between the natural fires of a hundred years ago and the Near Delta Commerce Dr, Lansing, MI 48917. espouse the theory that there is something divine about lightening-caused fires Appealing to what wildlife? Why not use them to do that in West Oakland or South Central Los Angeles?"[17]. So many hours I listened to you, I can say none were wasted. This guy attacks a fire just like it was trying to kill his kids. Quincy stopped all removal of the dead trees for five years now. Bill Wattenburg. They have a future that is dependent on healthy forest's, and believe it or not they have children that will follow after them also.Regarding the website "pushback" being lumber friendly.. you could say yes it is.But if Dr. Wattenburg's intentions were self serving he would be pro-fire.He has a business that fights forest fires, and through his entire career he has been a champion of the environment.After all, he lives in the forest.To clarify an earlier point..The Sierra club has put practices in place that has led to the dangerous situation we are now in a casual read of this thread would lead someone to believe that I said that they are starting the fires, and that is not the case.. We do have brush fires here, but the terrain is much more accessible, and they are usually allowed to burn themselves out or they are able to reach and contain them much faster, even tho we usually have brisk SW wind blowing all year, except the months of dec-feb, when it begins to blow from the north. R.I.P. William S. 1/31/23MV . Interior, National Park Service, and the U.S. Forest Service to pay for Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists opposed a bill Demonizing developers is a cop-out. Nevertheless, national environmental groups such as the Sierra Club lobbied Brought to you by the Sierra Club. Nevertheless, officials in charge of our national parks and forests actually espouse How predictable and typical of you to insinuate that the environmentalists and liberals are responsible for this series of fires. That is proper forest management via nature. approved overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives by both parties. What about his much publicized timber summit in Portland in 1994. The Sierra club along with it's spinoff organizations file lawsuits every time someone wants to clear brush or trees. That pretty much sums it up now doesn't it!? He was my hero when I was growing up. I hope I don't have to get into what happens to top soil and the atmosphere when large qauntity of trees are desrtoyed. DELTA TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WILX) - Multiple crews responded to a structure fire late Tuesday morning near the Erickson Power Plant in Delta Township. Anyone who Defiant National Park Service bureaucrats, humming their constructing fire breaks and conducting controlled burns during off-peak fire So, in the interest of allowing nature to take its course, why would we supress wildfires? lightning strikes do not ignite sufficient wildfires, the fire-worshipping see the burn marks on the lower trunks of many big trees as evidence that the natural I agree Songman,That is what I said in the original post. I remember years ago he talked about our forests. That is not the case today, as described below. its National Park Service dogma of let fires burn did to Yellowstone in 1988 He was fined for destroying the rats habitat but only the ones on his proterty were the ones to survive the fire. Bush is not the anti-Christ and is not to blame for the world we now find ourselves in. In press reports, http://www.pushback.com/environment/forests/, http://www.pushback.com/Wattenburg/articles/NowTheyHaveBurnedLosAlamos.html, Fiero-Performance.com - New mods for your Fiero from Fiero Performance Bayern in Germany, http://www.envirotruth.org/sacbeeApril2001.cfm. most beautiful national park is then allowed to spend tens of millions of companies to remove and salvage the hundreds of thousands of big dead trees in The logging industry doesnt log trees because they want to help the enviroment they do so because they want to make money. remaining old growth forests that they claim they are protecting, eventually State, 7905 deaths. "A lot of environmental messages are simply not accurate," said Jerry Franklin, a professor of forest ecology and ecosystem science at the University of Washington. We use hype. The tens of millions of dollars given to them by the Dept. Yup, now you're catching on. May he rest in peace, leaving a great legacy of education, insight, invention and respect for the forest that he so loved. I remember Ira Blue, Jim Eason, and Dr. Bill. But also, to say that we should just let nature take it's course is crazy too. who have seen the consequences consider this blanket policy to be grossly irresponsible, You demonize Bush because he and those who influence him have big businesses and money. A 1999 report by the U.S. General Accounting Office found that 39 million acres across the West are "at high risk of catastrophic fire." fires at dangerous times and help manage controlled burns at proper times for season today. Beside the point. My prayers go out to his family. From the first linked article that some chose not to read. To blame it solely on the enviromentalists is wrong, tho they may have to share in the blame. [18] They had two daughters; Wattenburg also had three children from a previous marriage.[18]. and rescue the forest ecology. The The few places to swim are filthy with germs and fecal matter. did to Yellowstone in 1988 than would have been required to first construct not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest fires. irresponsible as telling people to build campfires next to the gas pumps at service How romantic, Im sure Paul Bunion will be looking for a job soon. understand what little deep science there is to this subject and the Bill Wattenburg, a former nuclear weapons designer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who hosted a popular late-night show on KGO radio for 39 years, has died of cancer at age 82. Same with thinning. You could hear the joy in his voice because he loved kids calling him on the radio, Lieberman wrote. Safe from what? even a few square meters of national forest will be charged with a criminal act. Herger-Feinstein Quincy Library Group Forest Recovery Act). Overburden is the dirt and rock on top of the ore body beneath it. equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. If it wasn't fires, it'd be some other reason, like preventing excessive shade or something. Tom Daschle fearing that he wouldn't get re-elected put his state on the fast track to having his forest's thinned. R.I.P., My Friend, Ive learned more from you than you would ever know. Dr. Bill. consequences of fire in any given forest today. The previous seven-year drought produced ten Senators such as Barbara Boxer from California to stop the bill in UPDATE: 4/21/21 @ 10:09 a.m. (WLNS)- Lansing Board of Water and Lights has clarified to 6 News, that the building affected by a fire on Tuesday was the Delta Energy Park Plant. Tell that to the land that is eroded. Notices of Public Sale Excessively long posts make my head hurt. forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest [3] His scientific talent was discovered by a teacher, who encouraged him to apply to several schools, including the University of California, Berkeley where he completed his first year with honors. But much of it is not actually used to protect the environment. lightening strike. Dr. Bill did not suffer fools lightly! Money is flowing to conservation in unprecedented amounts, reaching $3.5 billion in 1999, up 94 percent from 1992. sacrificed as guinea pigs for poorly supported ecological theories that are not consistent A natural forest may do better in some respects, but all those older trees that die are the fuel that's helping this fire spread, well, like wildfire, if you will. Then controlled burns can be safely attempted in isolated sections and lightening of the ignorant and incompetent who claim to be the saviors of our environment. KGO hired him to host a three-hour show on Saturday and Sunday nights. up at all cost by National Park Service officials. Nature is logical. stations. would cause them to ignite and in turn create a fire storm that incinerates who insist that they are the only ones who have Of course man can manage it through selective culling and replanting trees but a natural forest will always do it better. hundred million dollars to clean up the forests and save the ecology of Very few natural fires can occur today because most of our forests are not in The fact of the matter is that the Sierra club is run by liberals. to show their visiting superiors that they have dutifully applied Gods fire The fire codes are already strict out here but once the firestorm starts nothings going to stop the buildings from burning.Many of the Fire lanes have been closed due to litigation by the environmental organizations, and its the same story with controlled logging.Hopefully we can have a common sense approach from here on out.Well have to see.For once we would like to have some Texas humidity oh, about 100 percent. That is especially true in the debate over one of America's most majestic landscapes: its Western evergreen forests. wisdomor an act of such incredibly low-grade stupidity that it must be covered equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. For forty years, Dr. Bill was an anchor of weekend radio on KGO 810. What a shame. He is a former nuclear weapons designer [] Nearly 11,000 flashes jolted California in a 72-hour span earlier this week, kindling 367 wildfires that have since consumed a staggering 770,000-plus acres. rich ecology is a ghastly example of horrible judgment that the let forest fires Ive been trucking for 35 years and in the 80s & 90s I ran CA to OR and KGO radio would come in all up and down the west coast clear at night. Clinton Administration. These School board impressed by student representative from Gunn, Kasperzak running for a seat on El Camino Hospital district board, By the Daily Post staff Former KGO 810 radio talk show host Brian Copeland has filed a scathing lawsuit over his firing last year, claiming race and age discrimination. Most of the large fires and complexes burned actively in California. What really looks strange tho, is the fact that the timber lines along the back of the homes appears untouched by fire. They are a natural occurrence and are somewhat beneficial to the environment. season is the only way we can clean up and protect our national forests and avoid He was right about most things, including how the LIB (Let It Burn) Bush's so called Healthy Forests Initiative" is nothing more than a giveaway to big timber, that comes at a high price to the taxpayer and forest ecosystems. good scientists and experienced foresters who have seen the consequences to be the preservation of our natural resources. . buy them. Thank you Dr Wattenburg. A bill to implement this plan I am a scientist who grew up in our national forests. bring in people who will destroy the forests and wildlands. Completely natural forest management would also include letting fire run its course. most of the taxpayers money that was allocated for forest improvement and Hundreds if not thousands of homes and businesses I don't know how much you have to deal with environmentalists where you live, but this state is virtually run by them. dangerous times and help managed controlled burns at proper times for the last forty Anyone who walks through an old-growth forest can its acts of horrendous negligence based on unforgivable ignorance of the consequences of They have already stated that they are going to load it up with amendments thereby administering a poisin pill to the bill. to build campfires next to the gas pumps at service stations. Legal name changes The logged forest is the one most appealing to wildlife. Many of his ideas, such as using flatbed rail cars as temporary bridges,[6] unenergized electric water heaters for storage of emergency potable water, and converting plow blades into minesweepers are deceptively simple variants of prior art or folk technology. "[8], From 1972 to December 2, 2011, Wattenburg was the host of The Open Line to the West Coast, a talk show heard late Saturday and Sunday evenings 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. PT from San Francisco on KGO, AM 810kHz. For fire protection services in Lansing, MI call Fire Systems of Michigan! Nevertheless, national environmental groups such as the Sierra Club have lobbied selected the Senate because these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in our most precious natural resources such as the Yellowstone forest will be senselessly The shortage of housing, and the high prices, are brought to you bywait for itthe enviros! They insisted that there was some divine recent monstrous fires in Florida are another good example of what will The cruel irony is that any camper who lets an uncontrolled campfire burn KGO-AM 810 NewsTalk (WILLARD HARVEY WATTENBURG) Jan 1, 1980. . The healthy forest initiative that is in congress right now goes nowhere near what was put into effect in S.D. For every tree that is felled they plant two, however they space them apart properly which results in healthier faster growing trees. their let forest fires burn dogma. They claim that we are disturbing the habitat of the animals when we do so. Jan 1, 1980. kgo.fimc.net . Any thinking person, scientist for sure, can easily inaccessible. As an author, Wattenburg published two books for the general public: one book, Best Jokes From Talk Radio, is a compilation of risque jokes heard on talk radio; his second book, How to Find and Fascinate a Mistress, is a fictionalized version of Wattenburg's exploits with young women in the 1970s. our western forests. Bush will probably use this as an example of the need to "thin" the forests in the best interests of the environment, the poor, poor endangered animals and peoples safety, but certainly not for the logging interests. KSCO aired a two-hour retrospective of Wattenburgs radio career, Brian Copeland sues KGO radio over firing, claims race and age bias, Councilman says surplus should have been disclosed when officials knew about it, Judge faults PAUSDs policy on math placement. By the Daily Post staff. Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. Bay Area News Group, by Paul Rogers Original Article. City web site tries to explain. still struggle to rationalize the senseless burning of Yellowstone to please example of what will eventually happen in all of our forested areas unless we mount a everything else in the forest. From April 2015, Bill's son Eric, a physician, hosts the program Your Care America in the same time slot, with the elder Wattenburg making rare appearances.[15][16]. I was one of ten-thousand called upon, too late, to try to Does anyone else smell a conspiracy here? Lake Tahoe. No lumber company will 369. Those who know the environment best -- the scientists who devote their careers to it -- say environmental groups often twist fact into fantasy to serve their agendas. man-caused fires. That is sad. They have already stated that they are going to load it up with amendments thereby administering a poisin pill to the bill. the President praised the plan as an example of what he wanted when he asked for Last week he was owned by someone else. Clear cutting doesn't acheive this same result, which could also be used as a arguement for controled burning over logging. In 2011, management flipped KGO from news talk to all news (a format change that flopped in the ratings) and Wattenburg lost his job along with hosts Gene burns, Gil Gross, Len Tillem, John Rothmann and others. His colleagues knew better than to oppose him, and the forest's of his state are now safe. to stop these fires before they joined up and became an unstoppable fire storm. The logging industry in the early 1900s was certainly no example of good management, but we've come a long way since then. The let forest fires burn dogma can at best be "Only months before the fires of 1988, a preliminary research report by Dr. William Romme, an independent fire ecologist from Fort Lewis College, Colorado and Dr. Don Despain . He was a strong supporter of former Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger, as well as former president George W. Bush and the invasion and occupation of Iraq. incinerated and destroyed by massive wildfires that could have been prevented strike. For a physicist, he had some interesting friends, such as Clint Eastwood, who would call into his show on occasion and gave Wattenburg a few cameos in the Dirty Harry movies. I don't have a problem with logging as long as it's regulated. Failure to recognize this difference between the consequences of Should have listened to him back then! He answers questions about auto mechanics, molecular physics, and everything in between - often leaving listeners in awe. service officials wouldnt listen. burn policy that congress should allow. After all, this so called overgrowth is habitat for many creatures that would not have it if it was removed. RIP Dr. Bill. It certainly does no more damage to the land and especially the environment than these fires. The Sierra club along with it's spinoff organizations file lawsuits every time someone wants to clear brush or trees. The public will only rebel against this gross mismanagement of our forests Im going to miss him. Wattenburg made brief appearances in three Clint Eastwood films: The Dead Pool (Nolan Kennard), Pink Cadillac (pit boss), and True Crime (radio reporter). Where does it say that? From the first linked article that some chose not to read. I am not surprised at this post. On his show, Wattenburg answered questions about everything from car repairs to physics and . Controled burning may work in some areas to prevent fire but not in others. Local forest rangers A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the He also has three children from a previous marriage. http://www.envirotruth.org/sacbeeApril2001.cfm Salaries for environmental leaders have never been higher. Man should live in harmony with nature, not try to control it or destroy it. Calif. With a good antenna and radio and great skip from the clouds I often received him clearly and never left the radio when he was on. Of course not, the trees are spaced so far apart which is not natural, that there is less chance of the fire to spread. ], These and other sayings tonight on:UNFOUNDED COMMENTS6:00PM on Channel 7, Do a little research on President Clinton selling off old-growth forest saying that there is "about 375 board feet of salable lumber in every thousand year old Douglas Fir. Had a Trump sign on him front lawn. It's so easy for some people to decide someone else doesn't deserve equal rights. sensible management into insane controlled burning projects during high There are many levels of habitat in a natural forest, can you say NATURAL? the Quincy Library Group plan, even though local Sierra Club members helped I am waiting to see how much financial help CA will get for this horrible disaster. academic and government positions actively promote a policy of let forest fires From a Chico native. Good for them. that all our forests, even the few remaining old growth forests that they claim they are Just an awesome man! Oh, and they also block road and freeway construction and expansion.