How about our drops on the cartridges that made it? . Nosler Trophy Grade with a 150-grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range at 3300 fps. Our blog and video on the Flattest Shooting Cartridge Ever! While at the High Bar Homestead with PSA, I was able to stretch their 6.5 Grendel out to 1,000 yards with Federal Premium 130 grain Bergers. Be aware that many of these bullets could have been target bullets. Fantastic information. 243 and 25-06 had to be left out because it didnt have enough at 600 for even deer. Thank you. Was sad to not see the .300 H&H Magnum, though I doubt it would measure much different than the .300 Win Mag. My name is Steve and I have just viewed your video on the Flattest Shooting Cartridges. Enforcermj, Im not sure if your comment is sarcastic or not. BUCK DOYLE Preferred Caliber For 500 To 1,000 Yards And Beyond: .260 Remington (130-grain Berger AR Hybrid OTM . the max load is the distance load. The 220 Swift would be my pick for coyotes, rodents, and probably pronghorn if it werent for the wind deflection issue. It takes 200 rounds to fully break in a barrel, so theyd finish it off in just 2-3 competitions (where you fire 200 rounds in a weekend). 2. Thanks for your video and the information on your website. I mean, its the flattest shooting cartridge around, but you took a huge bump in recoil over the 300 win mag or even 270 WSM for 41 more usable yards of MPBR. MM If the 300 RUM surprises you, know that it surprised me, too. .45-70 shoots like a Rainbow compared to even a Win 30-30. So if you take flat shooting to mean aiming right at something far away and hitting it, theres not really enough difference between the main popular cartridges to get out of bed for. The Liberty Ammunition .308 Win. The 243 Winchester and 6mm Remington have reputations for shooting flat, but the lesser known 240 Weatherby magnum fires the same bullets at higher velocities, so its the flattest of the 24-calibers. A 10 mph right angle wind at 500 yards can divert even a fast, high B.C. Its very clear that you went through a huge amount of work to pull all of this info together. Enjoying many of your video\s whilst stuck in lockdown. I noticed the WSSM family was not on your list I assume because of the higher velocities they would be higher than the standard calibers. JOHN BUOL Preferred Caliber For 500 To 1,000 Yards And Beyond: 5.56mm NATO. Good work mate. Mag. The .308 Winchester round shoots pretty flat out to 200 yards when it starts to drop. Preferred Caliber For 500 To 1,000 Yards And Beyond: 6.5 Creedmoor Preferred Rifle And Optic: A Rainier Arms precision rifle chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor and enhanced by H&H Precision with an Orias chassis from Killer Innovations. Might be of interest and I have used the cartridge in a Ruger M77 with a 22 barrel. Norma offers a 156-grain Oryx load that wont shoot as flat but provides great terminal performance. Mag. Therefore my velocity is up to around 3175fps, BC .434 G1 and the 500 yard drop is 23 with a 300 yard zero sight in. The Government .45-70 can give you the perfect hunting experience as it is one of the top calibers used by hunters. But can it defend that title at 1,000 yards? Beyond 1000 yards they use either the 338 Lapua or the 50 BMG. Forums. 17. That, combined with their relatively small size, means that compared to cartridges of similar powder capacity, the 6.5s will almost always do more, in terms of external and terminal ballistics, with less recoil. But you did such an awesome job with this data. bullet to offset wind deflection. If you use a very good long range 6mm bullet like the 115 DTAC with a BC of .585 and a velocity of 2950fps, which is easy to get, it wipes the floor with the .308 with a 175 at 2700fps. Thanks for the chart for bullet drop but for Big Game Hunting I would rather see the down range energy. Deciding on the three best flat-shooting cartridges does not come down simply to one statistic, but a combination of all the factors inherent to a cartridge. It was introduced in 1962 and essentially knocked the .264 Winchester Magnum several notches down on the popularity list after hunters and shooters put the 7mm Mag to the test. I work at a very large and popular firearms dealer, and I have sold dozens (if not hundreds) if the 6.5, but I havent sold 1, or had anyone even ask about the top 3 in this list. Still, if youre goal is to push heavy projectiles to the outer reaches, Noslers 28 may be the best 7mm option out there. I was surprised the 308 warbird was not included with the 208gr or 212gr bullet. Wind also affects bullets differently, and a cartridges ability to overcome these three forces makes it better or worse for shooting flat and far. A 100-grain .243 bullet with a G1 ballistic coefficient around .400 at a muzzle velocity of 2,960 carries just over 800 foot-pounds of energy at 500 yards. All same bullets for each of the numbers that are then averaged. Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range, 150-grain AccuBond Long Range at 2,930 fps. I truly don't believe a senseable person would use ANY .22 caliber rifle for deer hunting. rating, that 100-grain bullet is hanging in there. Based on the now almost-forgotten .284 Winchester, the 6.5-284 Norma was originally a wildcat cartridge and a very popular one, especially in bench-rest competitions. Now, the .280 AI is finally a SAAMI-approved cartridge, and while ammunition options are sparse, its performance is right there with the 7mm Remington Magnum. Most common calibers are just fine for regular range shots under 300 yards. Velocity, drop, energy and the use of bullets with their own factors which create their ballistic coefficients all should be considered. I'm trying to find the best round from the muzzle to 500yds as far as trajectory. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) . I realize that you looked at several different loads for each cartridge to figure out which one was the flattest shooting. I thought Id run an article on the flattest shooting rifle cartridges to compare and contrast both whats popular, as well as a few of the high performance options out there. I subscribed to your Feed as well. At A Glance: Our Top 5 Picks For Long Range Calibers in 2022 Best for Beginners: 5.56mm/.223 Remington Minimal Recoil: 224 Valkyrie Best for Long Range: 243 Winchester Best for Seasoned Shooters: 6mm Creedmoor Best Value: 6.5mm Grendel I was surprised at the distance, so I asked my PH Thats just 155 yards? He got a stunned look on his face and said, No, TWO hundred fifty-five yards! Our miscommunication during the shot sequence didnt matter a bit, because I was shooting a .28 Nosler, which put the shot only 2.8 low at that distance. The best long-range cartridges are those that are flat shooting, feature aerodynamic projectiles and have enough power to go the distance. The .277 bullet earns a lower B.C. Just dont try to enumerate its downsides to anyone who knows anything, because there arent any that matter. If youre after deeper penetration, look at the 139-grain Barnes VOR-TX Long Range load. (For anyone who gets worked up about the fact that the .30/06 isnt on this list, feel free to swap it with this one, as long as you dont mind the extra kick. Even at 500 yards the Hornady 225 SST is traveling over 2,000 fps and carrying over 2,000 ft/lbs of energy. Thoughts on this? The new Federal Premium, 130-grain Terminal Ascent load with a muzzle velocity of 2825 fps shoots flat and the bullet is tough enough to handle up close impacts while still delivering good. Another issue is recoil. Pronghorn hunters have driven the search for flatter shooting cartridges for a long time. The RPM does not have a belt or the customary Weatherby radiused shoulder, and it was designed to go with an ultra-light hunting rifle. Love it Jim ! Also, same bullet, but a .257 Wby Mag will also work if you hit the same velocities. The rifle snobs might whine. This is one of the flattest shooting bullets available on the market, with a plethora of different size bullets available that range from 75 grains for small game, all the way up to 120 grains for deer. With a recent elevated popularity, due in no small part to the rise of the six-fives, the Grendel is now getting the attention it deserves. Trust but verify. Excellent work!! But dont waste your time trying to convince us a slower cartridge in any caliber can shooter flatter than the ones weve identified as category leaders. In 2015, Mann began contributing to Field & Stream to cover guns, ammunition, ballistics, and hunting. You still need excellent range finding equipment and preferably have tested drops in your rifle in case your bullets have exaggerated BC claims. He just never made it official. Why is the 7 MM Ultra Mag also called the 7RUM not on your lists? Accuracy, knowledge of your rifle and its drops at different ranges, and knowledge of the conditions will dictate your very long range shots. Warm greetings from S.W. Flattest-Shooting Cartridges Ever Backfire 641K subscribers Subscribe 4.2K 173K views 1 year ago The flattest shooting rifle cartridges are listed in this video to help shooters determine. inspired a lot of comments, dissent, and different candidates for the title, so lets take a more detailed look at the flattest of the flat. projectiles begins to add up and they shoot flatter at extreme range. I still just dont understand why it isnt the 26 or 28 Nos. Bullet B.C. It nearly matches the ballistics of the Winchester Magnum, but does so in rifles with faster-twist barrels and modern powders that extend barrel life. It is not always the caliber that is in question. Again, I, as well as so very many other folks Im certain, am very grateful! It is capable of sending a 55-grain bullet from the muzzle at 3,700 fps. 28 Nosler cartridge For decades, the Nosler cartridge has ruled the world of a flat shooting range with complete dominance. When it came out in 1925, 300 yards was considered about the max distance for shots on game, and the .270 Winchester was quickly recognized as one of, if not the, best commercial option for that. In 2019, Nosler submitted the cartridge to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Institute (SAAMI) for approval, and in 2020, you can expect to see Nosler and other ammunition manufacturers offering factory loaded ammunition and even rifles for it. By the time the 6.5 Creedmoor started gaining popularity, interest in the .270 WSM was fading. I believe the 6.8 SPC is that alternative. I am impressed at all the data you went through to come up with the three chosen. For flat shooting over a relatively close range you need a lot of velocity, BC doesn't matter that much over shorter distances. Terry Cross. Im going to include a few in here, and my basis for including them is going to be inclusion in Federals 2013 catalog, because thats what Im basing my numbers off. I know it is very uncommonly talked about. As much talk as there is about the .270 Winchesters ability to shoot flatly, it does not compare with these three flat-shooting options. You can argue that you can get the 243 WSSM shooting flatter, but that cartridge is already considered obsolete. I wonder if you could possibly make that load available to me, so I can compare which loads are the best? For good reason. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. With a muzzle velocity faster than 3000 fps, it offers great external and terminal ballistics. The biggest deficit is the roughly 57 feet of drop at 1,000 yards. Do you have any of the data on the weight of the bullets, the brand of the bullets, the BC, any of the information related to the data youre posting?